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bogr
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Unexpected battery report

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I have Aeotec Multisensor 6 (on batteries), and have set params

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101 - 240 (report everything except battery)
102 - 0 (report group 2)
103 - 0 (report group 3)
111 - 1800 (interval to report for group 1)
I want all sensors to report every 30 mins, except for battery. Every sensor reports but in addition the battery as well, which should not be the case. Setting 101 to 241 reports everything. I also have the Battery Poller app configured, but it's configured to only report every Sunday. It's a bit hard to determine if the problem is in the controller, the app, or the device. When the report triggers, the log looks like:

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[2016-06-28 21:14:50.754] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 08 00 04 00 10 02 98 40 39 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:50.755] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:50.755] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastReceived = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:50.764] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: sending Nonce Report
[2016-06-28 21:14:50.764] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.isAwake = True
[2016-06-28 21:14:50.764] [I] [zway] Adding job: Nonce Report
[2016-06-28 21:14:50.764] [D] [zway] SENDING (cb 0x45): ( 01 11 00 13 10 0A 98 80 EF DB 18 20 17 6C C8 AC 05 45 AC )
[2016-06-28 21:14:50.767] [D] [zway] RECEIVED ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:50.771] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 04 01 13 01 E8 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:50.771] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:50.771] [D] [zway] Delivered to Z-Wave stack
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.161] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 07 00 13 45 00 00 27 89 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.161] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.161] [I] [zway] Job 0x13 (Nonce Report): Delivered
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.161] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.delivered = True
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.161] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.packetLength = 13 (0x0000000d)
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.161] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.deliveryTime = 390 (0x00000186)
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.161] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo = **********
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.161] [D] [zway] SendData Response with callback 0x45 received: received by recipient
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.162] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastSend = 366272335 (0x15d4df4f)
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.162] [D] [zway] Job 0x13 (Nonce Report): success
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.162] [I] [zway] Removing job: Nonce Report
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.466] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 20 00 04 00 10 1A 98 81 C1 9D 61 A5 DF 4D 66 BF 47 95 16 1F 61 26 68 EF B1 37 7D F0 C8 4C 52 A1 7C )
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.467] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.467] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastReceived = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.467] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: Received a secure message
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.472] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.152.data.firstPart = **********
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.472] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: passing decrypted packet to application level: [ 31 05 01 22 01 06 ]
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.473] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.1.deviceScale = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.475] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.1.scaleString = "°C"
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.475] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.1.val = 26.200001
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.475] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.1 = Empty
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.862] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 08 00 04 00 10 02 98 40 39 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.863] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.863] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastReceived = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.868] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: sending Nonce Report
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.869] [I] [zway] Adding job: Nonce Report
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.869] [D] [zway] SENDING (cb 0x46): ( 01 11 00 13 10 0A 98 80 92 F8 F8 A9 6A 7D 8C F2 05 46 EE )
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.872] [D] [zway] RECEIVED ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.877] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 04 01 13 01 E8 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.877] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.877] [D] [zway] Delivered to Z-Wave stack
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.893] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 07 00 13 46 00 00 03 AE )
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.893] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.893] [I] [zway] Job 0x13 (Nonce Report): Delivered
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.893] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.delivered = True
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.893] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.packetLength = 13 (0x0000000d)
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.894] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.deliveryTime = 15 (0x0000000f)
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.894] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo = **********
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.894] [D] [zway] SendData Response with callback 0x46 received: received by recipient
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.894] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastSend = 366272407 (0x15d4df97)
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.894] [D] [zway] Job 0x13 (Nonce Report): success
[2016-06-28 21:14:51.894] [I] [zway] Removing job: Nonce Report
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.015] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 1F 00 04 00 10 19 98 81 6D 71 71 59 6E AA B6 C4 C0 1D 42 F7 CC 43 92 15 43 BE E9 D4 19 04 08 C3 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.015] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.015] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastReceived = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.015] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: Received a secure message
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.019] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.152.data.firstPart = **********
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.019] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: passing decrypted packet to application level: [ 31 05 05 01 24 ]
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.019] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.5.deviceScale = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.019] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.5.scale = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.022] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.5.scaleString = "%"
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.022] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.5.val = 36.000000
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.022] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.5 = Empty
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.036] [I] [core] Notification: device-info (device-humidity): {"dev":"Humidity (16.0.49.5)","l":"36 %"}
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.074] [I] [core] [BaseModule-32] Set lastLevel to 36 for ZWayVDev_zway_16-0-49-5 (was 35)
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.806] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 08 00 04 00 10 02 98 40 39 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.806] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.806] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastReceived = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.811] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: sending Nonce Report
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.811] [I] [zway] Adding job: Nonce Report
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.811] [D] [zway] SENDING (cb 0x47): ( 01 11 00 13 10 0A 98 80 8A BD BB 5E C9 04 6F DC 05 47 11 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.816] [D] [zway] RECEIVED ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.818] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 04 01 13 01 E8 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.818] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.818] [D] [zway] Delivered to Z-Wave stack
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.888] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 07 00 13 47 00 00 07 AB )
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.888] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.888] [I] [zway] Job 0x13 (Nonce Report): Delivered
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.888] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.delivered = True
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.888] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.packetLength = 13 (0x0000000d)
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.888] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.deliveryTime = 70 (0x00000046)
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.888] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo = **********
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.888] [D] [zway] SendData Response with callback 0x47 received: received by recipient
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.888] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastSend = 366272505 (0x15d4dff9)
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.889] [D] [zway] Job 0x13 (Nonce Report): success
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.889] [I] [zway] Removing job: Nonce Report
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.927] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 1D 00 04 00 10 17 98 81 11 41 E7 69 C5 A2 91 49 38 E1 46 26 8A AD 6B A0 CB 36 76 7D 31 0B )
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.927] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.927] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastReceived = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.927] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: Received a secure message
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.930] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.152.data.firstPart = **********
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.930] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: passing decrypted packet to application level: [ 80 03 64 ]
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.930] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.128.data.history.100 = 1467141292 (0x5772ccac)
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.930] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.128.data.last = 100 (0x00000064)
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.947] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 1D 00 04 00 10 17 98 81 F2 90 21 29 FC 42 3B 64 B5 71 FB 25 8A B1 3E FC 88 51 CB CD EC A3 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.947] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.947] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastReceived = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.947] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: Received a secure message
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.950] [W] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: can not decrypt packet due to nonce lookup problem
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.018] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 08 00 04 00 10 02 98 40 39 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.018] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.018] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastReceived = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.021] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: sending Nonce Report
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.022] [I] [zway] Adding job: Nonce Report
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.022] [D] [zway] SENDING (cb 0x48): ( 01 11 00 13 10 0A 98 80 63 6B 98 1D 91 73 E1 92 05 48 AE )
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.028] [D] [zway] RECEIVED ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.028] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 04 01 13 01 E8 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.028] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.028] [D] [zway] Delivered to Z-Wave stack
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.049] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 07 00 13 48 00 00 02 A1 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.049] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.049] [I] [zway] Job 0x13 (Nonce Report): Delivered
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.049] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.delivered = True
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.050] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.packetLength = 13 (0x0000000d)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.050] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.deliveryTime = 21 (0x00000015)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.050] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo = **********
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.050] [D] [zway] SendData Response with callback 0x48 received: received by recipient
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.050] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastSend = 366272521 (0x15d4e009)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.050] [D] [zway] Job 0x13 (Nonce Report): success
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.050] [I] [zway] Removing job: Nonce Report
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.069] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 20 00 04 00 10 1A 98 81 92 04 56 A2 D8 C6 27 44 45 BD AB 1C 76 7C A8 63 2D C8 53 42 3E 50 B9 A7 DD )
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.069] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.069] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastReceived = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.069] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: Received a secure message
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.071] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.152.data.firstPart = **********
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.071] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: passing decrypted packet to application level: [ 31 05 03 0a 00 0b ]
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.071] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.3.deviceScale = 1 (0x00000001)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.071] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.3.scale = 1 (0x00000001)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.073] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.3.scaleString = "Lux"
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.073] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.3.val = 11.000000
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.073] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.3 = Empty
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.160] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 08 00 04 00 10 02 98 40 39 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.161] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.161] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastReceived = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.166] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: sending Nonce Report
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.166] [I] [zway] Adding job: Nonce Report
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.166] [D] [zway] SENDING (cb 0x49): ( 01 11 00 13 10 0A 98 80 A9 57 23 59 37 DD 29 A6 05 49 52 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.170] [D] [zway] RECEIVED ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.173] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 04 01 13 01 E8 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.173] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.173] [D] [zway] Delivered to Z-Wave stack
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.190] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 07 00 13 49 00 00 02 A0 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.190] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.190] [I] [zway] Job 0x13 (Nonce Report): Delivered
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.190] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.delivered = True
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.190] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.packetLength = 13 (0x0000000d)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.190] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.deliveryTime = 17 (0x00000011)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.190] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo = **********
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.191] [D] [zway] SendData Response with callback 0x49 received: received by recipient
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.191] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastSend = 366272535 (0x15d4e017)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.191] [D] [zway] Job 0x13 (Nonce Report): success
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.191] [I] [zway] Removing job: Nonce Report
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.352] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 1F 00 04 00 10 19 98 81 35 1F 65 C9 57 E4 C5 E3 B0 C5 76 F7 C2 D2 A9 13 B9 4B AD A3 49 53 A0 FF )
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.353] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.353] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastReceived = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.353] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: Received a secure message
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.356] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.152.data.firstPart = **********
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.356] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Security: passing decrypted packet to application level: [ 31 05 1b 01 00 ]
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.356] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.27.deviceScale = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.356] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.27.scale = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.358] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.27.scaleString = "UV index"
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.358] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.27.val = 0.000000
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.358] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.49.data.27 = Empty
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.423] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 08 00 04 00 10 02 84 07 62 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.423] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.423] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastReceived = 0 (0x00000000)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.423] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Wakeup: Wakeup notification
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.423] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.132.data.lastWakeup = 1467141293 (0x5772ccad)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.423] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastSend = 366272558 (0x15d4e02e)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.423] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastNonceGet = 366271558 (0x15d4dc46)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.423] [D] [zway] Running wakeup handler for node 16
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.423] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.132.data.lastSleep = 1467141293 (0x5772ccad)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.423] [I] [zway] Node 16:0 CC Wakeup: Send node to sleep
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.424] [I] [zway] Adding job: Wakeup Sleep
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.494] [D] [zway] SENDING (cb 0x4a): ( 01 09 00 13 10 02 84 08 05 4A 34 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.495] [D] [zway] RECEIVED ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.499] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 04 01 13 01 E8 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.499] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.499] [D] [zway] Delivered to Z-Wave stack
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.514] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 07 00 13 4A 00 00 02 A3 )
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.515] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.515] [I] [zway] Job 0x13 (Wakeup Sleep): Delivered
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.515] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.delivered = True
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.515] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.packetLength = 5 (0x00000005)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.515] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo.deliveryTime = 15 (0x0000000f)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.515] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastPacketInfo = **********
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.515] [D] [zway] SendData Response with callback 0x4a received: received by recipient
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.515] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.lastSend = 366272567 (0x15d4e037)
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.515] [D] [zway] Job 0x13 (Wakeup Sleep): success
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.515] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.data.isAwake = False
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.515] [D] [zway] Sending the queue for node 16 into sleep
[2016-06-28 21:14:53.515] [I] [zway] Removing job: Wakeup Sleep
And the battery is obviously there:

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[2016-06-28 21:14:52.930] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.128.data.history.100 = 1467141292 (0x5772ccac)
[2016-06-28 21:14:52.930] [D] [zway] SETDATA devices.16.instances.0.commandClasses.128.data.last = 100 (0x00000064)
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Re: Unexpected battery report

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The device reports you battery itself. without being asked.
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