Device Inclusion over Distance

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holzemile
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Device Inclusion over Distance

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I know this is general stuff, but there are some things I don't really understand yet. I have two buildings I want to cover with Z-Wave devices and it would be nice if I could do that with one RaZberry.
The problem is the distance (about 50m = 160ft) and my lack of knowledge in some things.

What I tried:
- I set up a motion sensor (Aeon Labs MultiSensor, powered) at the corner of the building with the RaZberry
- I included another powered sensor next to the RaZberry, unplugged it and went to the second building
- When I set Z-Way into inclusion mode and pressed the button nothing happened (no connection)

1. Did I do something wrong in the process?
2. Do I have to setup any routing things so that the device that is already placed forwards the signal?
3. Is there a way to detect the range?
4. Do you have any tips/expieriences with inclusion over far distances and/or with forwarding signal over other devices?

Thanks

holzemile
holzemile
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*push*

Post by holzemile »

anybody?
pz1
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I guess the device is out of range

Post by pz1 »

I guess the device is out of range.
- Why did you press the include for a second time after having gone to the second building? There would be no need for that.
- Does your system consist of the controller and those two devices? Position your second device inside your hous near a window as close as possible to the second house. Issue an update routes command.
- You can use in and outside an extension power cord for experimenting with your second device, to see where it is still under control.
- Fibaro has recently released a plugin binary switch (70Euro) (http://www.fibaro.com/en/the-fibaro-system/wall-plug) which has a built-in network tester. There have been some problems with early production batches. New versions are expected to be available soon. PS: I have no experience with these devices. I just pass on knowledge I received from one of my suppliers.
Hope this helps.
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holzemile
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Thank you for you answer!

Post by holzemile »

Thank you for you answer!

- I pressed it because the device has no batteries so it lost connection when I unplugged it and brought it to the second building
- Will update routes work when it is not connected to the second device?
- Do you mean that I should put the device at the outside of the wall?

Another question:
Do I have to exclude, remove configuration, include when I change a device from mains powered to battery or from battery to mains powered?
Because Z-Way doesn't recognise that by its own!
pz1
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I think it is not a good idea

Post by pz1 »

I think it is not a good idea to bridge two buildings with battery powered devices. In your case, where the distance is 50 meters, you might need permanently powered devices on the outside of the two buildings. I have never tried that, so I do not guarantee. The robustness of Zwave depends in it's mesh network, that allows alternative paths between devices. The update routes command determines the different routes to devices and stores those paths in Razberry.
- Once a device is included, it should automatically reconnect after removal and re-insertion of batteries.
- It is best if all devices are connected if you doe a update routes.

I can't answer your last question
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holzemile
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No I don't use battery device

Post by holzemile »

No I don't use battery device for that! I included it next to the RaZberry, unplugged it, went to the second building, replugged it. => No connection

I will try some other things but if it doesn't work I'll have to put a second Raspberry Pi with RaZberry in the second building :/

Thanks for your help :)
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PoltoS
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It is better to include the

Post by PoltoS »

It is better to include the device powering it via USB (afaik, it automatically reports itself as mains powered in that case). The device type is determined only during inclusion process.

As for network reorganization, @pz1 is right, you do not need to re-include the device after moving it - just update routes. It would be also good to place more devices in both buildings to workaround possible interference.

Also note that Aeon Multisensor is 5.02 SDK device, so it can not resolve broken routes itself (like 4.5x SDK-based devices do). So, routes update is strictly mandatory. You should do it two-three times until you see that two of your sensors can talk with each other.
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